Cockstradamus: Webb will be the VP on the 2008 losing ticket
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Given the liberal left domination of the MSM, leftist democrats Mondale, Dukakis and Kerry led by much larger margins over Presidents Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 in past June-Sept leap years than Obama currently leads McCain in most of the between election polls this year.
[And no, so far no hen has exercised any leap right to propose matrimony with THE Carolina rooster so far in 2008 A.D.]
But, the un-Dukakis-like "lead" has provoked desperate Obama via surrogates Clark and Webb (and others months earlier), Clinton-like projection writ large attacks against McCain's heroic military deeds via MSM attempted "swift-boat" covers.
The Clinton war room tactic of attacking one's opponent's greatest strength that mirror's their greatest weakness is axiomatic. But the problems here are legion:
1-Obama had no Sistah Soulja moment in the primaries;
2-Kerry didn't respond because the Swiftboat vets' attacks were factually true;
3-McCain turned down freedom and stayed in the commie pow torture Hanoi Hilton for many years;
4-Let #3 sink in;
5-Unlike Kerry, McCain didn't come back to America and toss medals over a fence or equate US armed forces with Khan's Genghis; and
6-McCain's recently read lips favor tax cuts.
Vietnam vet, junior Old Dominion Senator James Webb recently broke protocal as Obama's limp-wristed security resume wafts:
WEBB: John McCain's been a longtime friend. If that is one area that I would ask him to calm down on, it's that. Don't be standing up and uttering your political views and implying that all the people in the military support them, because they don't, any more than when the Democrats had political issues during the Vietnam War. Let's get politics out of the military, take care of the military people, and have our political arguments in other areas.
RUSH: Get politics out of the military? John McCain needs to calm down? This from a rookie Senator Jim Webb. Needs to calm down, don't be standing up and offering your political views and implying that all people in the military support them. This is again more smoke and mirrors. None of this McCain is done. But Webb gets up and says it, the Drive-Bys report what he says, and that becomes the official record of what McCain says, i.e., what Webb says that McCain is doing. Who infused politics into this? Who infused the military into politics? It was Clark who claims, by the way -- grab audio sound bite number four. Here's Wesley Clark last night on MSNBC, asked for his response to being criticized for his remarks.
CLARK: I wasn't representing the Obama campaign in anything I said yesterday about John McCain. I want to assure you, I would never, never diss someone's service. When people choose to serve in uniform, I honor it. I came home from Vietnam on a stretcher. I was shot, I took a burst of AK, I got four rounds, so I think I know a little bit about what it's like to honor men and women who serve in uniform. And I do, and I would never dismiss somebody.
RUSH: Twilight Zone time. This is after he did diss somebody. This is after he did diss somebody specifically on the basis of their military service. Claire McCaskill on MSNBC Live today, the infobabe asked her, "General Clark is not backing down from those comments that were critical of Senator McCain. What's the campaign's response to hearing that he's not stepping away from those comments?"
MCCASKILL: Senator Obama has been very clear. It is inappropriate in any campaign ever to devalue anyone's service to our country. That's what they did to John Kerry four years ago. He will not be a part of it. This campaign will not be a part of it. I think he respects the service of General Wesley Clark. I think Senator Obama understands that General Clark is speaking from his own perspective. But for this campaign, for the Obama campaign, it is never about devaluing someone's service to our country. Patriotism is about serving your country and your community, and that's what Senator Obama wants this discussion to be about.
RUSH: What does this remind you of? Here we have two Obama supporters, Claire McCaskill from Missouri, a senator, and Jim Webb, both recasting reality. Obama, (paraphrasing) "Our campaign never said anything, why, we would never do this. We're not going to put up with this. We would never, ever do it." Webb said, "McCain's gotta calm down." I wish McCain would act in a way just one day that somebody could legitimately say "calm down" and have it mean something. The Official Obama Criticizer nailed this in his critique in the first hour of this program. Barack Obama and his campaign, he is the first black Clinton. He will not be the first black president because that's Clinton's. But he is the first black Clinton. That is exactly what's happening here. Living in an alternative reality, and knowing full well that the Drive-Bys are going to cover for you and make reality whatever it is you say in response to things. So Clark gets a total pass. Obama gets a total pass. Obama gets treated as though he has rebuked what Clark has said, when he hasn't, and then Webb goes out and says that McCain's the one that needs to calm down. Meanwhile, the only official response from some elected Republican has been Bob Dole's.
An astute conservative democrat in Alabama advised gamecock that Obama spoke to Bill Clinton this week, just as flip-flop moves to the center multiplied and just before Webb came to Wes, Clinton-fired former NATO chief that was about to bomb Russians, Clark's defense for off the high-dive denigrations of McCain's heroic service in Vietnam.
And why did Obama feel the need to declare his patriotic love for America in a post-WrighthateAmericaSermon-like context?
Why?
Because Obama's stance in the polls at this juncture is worse than any Dem since...
Worse than any Dem.
June 1988 Plus Seventeen Dukakis, won ten states, went on to teach at Harvard.
Jim Webb will be the underside of the Obama ticket. Why else would he be embarrassing himself in public this way?
McCain will carry Virginia.
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I also know several Democrats that will vote for John McCain. The question is, will that make up for the conservatives that say they won't vote for him?
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I agree Obama is going to be the losing ticket he is way too far to the left for a nation with the majority of the people well grounded politically to the Center - Right and Right.
I hope the Democrats don't put Webb on OBAMAS losing ticket because in 4 years WEBB will be their candidate for president and his chances of winning would be far greater than the ultra Liberal Obama.
Webb is a Conservative Democrat and a former GOP , pro gun , Vietnam Vet , pro -life ect ect ect. His kids are serving in the Military.
He was Reagan's Sec of Navy 8 years
Unlike Obama Jim Webb is the type of Democrat that can win national elections (Southern , Center-Right , and Church going)
I watched BBC News last night they interviewing people from North Carolina and several life long Democrats who had never voted GOP before weren't going to vote for OBAMA. They also interviewed Liberal yuppies who had moved from New England down to ASHVILLE they were OBAMA fans but the native NORTH CAROLIANS were not very happy with OBAMA.
Obama will lose unless the economy collapses between now and NOV
fool of himself attacking McCain's war record and also moving to the left is evidence he is going to be the VP. Otherwise he wouldn't be acting the fool.
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If Hillary couldn't do it, Webb certainly won't.
Now, can we get a news photo of Bambam riding in a tank, ears flapping in the summer breeze?
Unlike his predecessor, Bambam will, at least, be able to see over the turrent....
Sorry, couldn't resist.
GC, I've had a feeling that a Mondale/Dukakis type thrashing was coming for the Demoncrats, even though I could not build a clear case for it.
Now that you have prognosticated such, I can breath easier.
Regards
how McCain will win for sure, and no one will vote for Obama. Do you have any idea how badly we are being clobbered? It wasn't just 2006, we have lost several "safe" seats in off year and special elections.
McCain is a tired old man who is fighting with one hand behind his back, and the people want something new and different.
Now, I know Obama is not any different than the same old left wing, but the average American does not pay attention to political blogs, Most don't listen to political radio either.
I still give McCain only about a 30% chance of winning. That can rise if he really starts a hard hitting campaign, but right now it is looking bleak. Obama has big negatives but he has so much built in support all he has to do is get a slight majority of the swing voters.
I hope I am wrong, but it's not looking good.
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We are losing badly. And I fear Obama will roll over McCain like he did the Clintons. The MSM is too powerful. Obama has all of them plus unlimited money. The apathy on the right will allow this to happen. I hope I'm wrong also!
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McGovern, Dukakis presidencies.
Obama is curing the apathy
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Obama is tied
they get attentive nearer to the DAY
DAY
DAY
when it counts
no one is "ahead"
tied 0-0
leftists only "win" on non-election DAYS
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could probably kick your butt!
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I understand that when asked they always say yes, but a lot of Ds are trying real hard not to get asked. I see how Obama thinks Webb will help the ticket, but Webb is not helping his future by making a fool of himself. Let's say, God forbid, that Obama/Webb are elected. Webb goes down a notch in political power from being the senior Senator of Va. to VP.
Another political calculation has to do with the Va Gilmore v. Warner contest. The Ds are saying with the Webb VP choice that Warner is not much of choice, in spite of the fact that it was Warner and not Webb who earlier was looked at as a choice candidate for pres. This kind of slight could help Gilmore.
My prediction for VP is NM Gov. Richardson. There is no down side to this choice with any Congressional races, and there are a lot of hopes that Richardson on the ticket could help Obama win some additional western states that have went R in past elections.
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I'll make a gentleman's wager with ya. If Webb is the VP nominee I owe you a 6-pack of Michelob Ultras, and if Bill Richardson is the VP nominee then you owe me a 6-pack of Sam Adams Boston Lager.
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isn't seeking a re-match for the ass whoopin' Ollie North gave him in a 60's boxing match. Jim wasn't born that homely...
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I just had another thought for a real outside the box VP pick for Obama. From Colorado former US Sen. Gary Hart. Hart is a few months younger than John McCain, and he could help Obama get some interior west states that have voted R to vote D. He has, when it comes to foreign policy, more gravitas than Obama has, but he is no threat to being Obama's heir apparent. Sorta like a D version of VP Dick Cheney.
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sure Hart would be a good choice, but why not go for the whole cow and take fromer President Carter as his running mate. He still has four years coming to him, and NOBODY in the Democrat Party has nore gravitas then President Carter!
Revoke Jimmy Carter's passport while he is out of the country.
Like maybe while visiting Mugabe in Zimbabwe.
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prospects, I think! Obama just doesn't seem to have the oomph to go over the top, and the flip-flops are encouraging signs that he recognizes it.
As for Webb, now that WOULD be a way for Obama to multiply his problems with women and have the Dems get in touch with their inner chickenhawkers.
I digress. Would you agree that its better that Obama appears to be less ideological and more "pragmatic", just in case he gets in? I seem to fear him less the more he flip flops.
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a true flip-flop assumes some change in belief or ideal. Obama will remain true to his core beliefs -- much to this country's detriment.
His Socialism will destroy this nation if ever allowed in office.
chain!
I still run from axes
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to flip from his socialist cap gain tax rate increase even if it brings in less revenue, due to the need for class envy "fairness."
It really shows what a piss poor job the gop has done the last 10 years in economic education.
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blog? Aren't chickens in the chain from their Single-cell God?
Cock-a-doodle-do
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Roman tradition that I'm having a little fun with. Have not been following the Darwin blog or much else on RS, as I was visiting family and friends on Long Island.
Re your other question, I do agree that Obama is less worrisome when he flip-flops. He may be an opportunist, but that's less dangerous than an ideologue.
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of course there are arguments for him, some you have made. But I have seen the Kossacks discuss this, and the consensus is no.
Of course they supported Webb when they needed someone who served on their side. But they realize he really is not all that liberal, other than on the war. See, Virginia elects only conservative Democrats (by their standards), ala Webb and Robb.
anyway, my point is that Webb is not liberal enough for the left, and he has WAY TOO MANY SKELETONS in his closet. Furthermore, he would send the Hillary feminists into a tizzy and destroy Democrat "unification" Remember, Webb has many mysoginist quotes about women serving in the military, and even about the Tailhook scandal, which he played down.
I actually agree with Webb's views about not having women serving in combat infantry and some other areas, but this is not about me, this is about libs.
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Molon Labe!
The Netroots have stopped giving; that's why Obama was down in May, and hasn't yet released his fundraising for June.
So he's kicking them every chance he gets: FISA, War funding, War pullout, late-term abortion, you name it.
much of his support comes from the nutroots, if they leave him it will help us. I guess that is my point, he does not want to lose his top constituency. I think most normal Dems were going to vote for Billary until the nutroots told them she was bad.
We think Obama needs to move right, but the nutroots think he needs to move left. They already think he has moved right on Fisa, Iraq withdrawal, and NAFTA.
Remember, there are liberals in this country, and they vote for Dems. Obama can only abandon his base so many times. I say he picks some goof like Biden or Richardson. Obama does not want a strong personality like Webb, Remember, he is the messiah.
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without a cornucopia of same, and I too agree with Webb on women in combat and loved his "Born Fighting" book.
I have thought that the net roots are not large enough in number for their votes to matter and that their only importance was fund raising, but it looks like Obama has Soros sources to pay the way.
I think.
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I almost hope it is Webb.
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sandwich sign?
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I think Bill Richardson (NM) would be a strong VP choice for Obama. But I'm sure he will shoot himself in the foot and pick someone disasterous.
he's a leftist. btw, Can u hear me over the din of his 20-year pew-parked in a hate whitey america chrch butt?
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I do observe that Obama surrounds himself with long-time party hacks and/or clinton-era retreads.
My gut keeps telling me that he will choose a pretty face a la Edwards. There is nothing to his campaign as it is, so adding more fluff to the ticket would fit well.
He'd probably like to find a female but I think that would rile up the Hillocrats too much.
The free exchange of ideas inevitably yields both heat and light.
defense or military background.
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the ticket.
and, I am trying to be a Christian!
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and tries to say it isn't a good thing, at least, would be some comfort. So many Democrats think they have to say they're unequivocally firm on "choice" without even seeming bothered by the ugliness of the whole issue.
bankrupt. To BE in the party. To allow your name to be associated with it
is sick.
Joe Lieberman, that includes you.
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Casey is pro-life on paper, but he will always be a reliable vote against GOP judges. So he'll get a pass from the net roots, esp. if BO names him VP.
True, Casey may be an empty-suiter with no experience, but that's irrelevant to the net roots and MSM. (pointing that out can be construed as racism.)
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its a trap! Tyson is a real dead end job!
lets wait until the convention....I believe they always say no way until they are asked....
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About "devaluing John Kerry's military service":
That isn't what happened to him. His service wasn't devalued. We questioned that he was lying about his service. That's a big difference.
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my wife and I had dinner the other night with some very close, beloved friends. They are both life long Democrats who have never cast a vote for a Republican president. Over dinner they both announced their intent to vote for McCain. They simply could not bring themselves to vote for Obama. (It is also worth noting that they were also not enamoured of Hillary and would probably not have voted for her either.) Their NoBama reasons were the same most of us have identified; his inexperience; his constantly shifting "position"; his close, near lifelong association with people like Wright, Ayers, et al. Of course November is a long way off :-)
John
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